Elwher 1251895886|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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No. I haven't read them - I didn't know they existed - I'll have to track them down.
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Elwher 1251895886|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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metaldragon 1251870175|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Also discovered: Marylois Dunn's stories "Yellow Eyes" in Catfantastic and "Shado" in Catfantastic 2 are sequels to her story "Cat and the Other" in Tales of the Witch World 1 so could also be considered Witch World stories.
metaldragon 1251869426|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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A short story by Wilanne Schneider Belden in the first Catfantastic collection is about a woman who drives a bookmobile through a Gate (along with her cats) into the Witch World. Have you read it? I've ordered a used copy.
Indagare 1248941995|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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I understand about the possible problem with accuracy but, as you say, it's at least a start. I have almost all the books now, so I can cross-reference them. I've sent you two private messages (having forgotten to put my e-mai in the first). I look forward to seeing the maps!
metaldragon 1248912585|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Well, the G.U.R.P.S. Witch World has a pretty detailed map of the Dales with a lot of Dales named and places in the Dales. Again, like the calender, not sure how accurate, but at least it's a starting point. Do you have a copy? I've got a .pdf file of it. Private Message me your email and I'll see if I can't send it to ya if you're interested.
Indagare 1248576192|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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I am not sure what to do with the Dales. There are hundreds of them, and the list of sites in them could be nearly endless! Also, I'm not sure how to place them in relationship with one another… I mean Arvon is to the north of High Hallock in general, as the Waste is generally to the west, but the individual Dales act like individual countries. Any suggestions?
metaldragon 1248376131|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Yea, me too. Again, I suspect they're the same as the ones printed in the Tales anthologies (except in b&w instead of colour of course). You might find the GURPS maps interesting because they do list a whole bunch of places which may or may not actually be in the books. Again, careful cross checking on directions from the stories will determine if the GURPS maps are anywhere near accurate or not.
Indagare 1247672465|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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I'd like a copy of that map. I'm having a hard time figuring out how to start the places articles since there are only two mentioned continents but several different countries.
Indagare 1247184356|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Timeline Discussion / General Discussion » The Warding of the Witch World
Well with Eydryth we know from Songsmith that she is a year younger than Hyana. We also know from Gryphon's Eyrie that Hyana is going to be born around midwinter. This would put Hyana's birth near the very end of the Year of the Unicorn or (more likely) close to the beginning of the Year of the Red Boar. We know from Jargoon Pard that Kethan passes into being a young man in the Year of the Werewolf and I think the text somewhere mentions him being 14. This would make sense as it would make him the same age as Hyana and a year older than Eydryth (who, like Alon, was 13 that year). There is mention of the Turning in Jargoon Pard - at least indirectly - as having happened in the past. Given all the years Kethan mentions, and the fact that Eydryth is 19 at the start of Songsmith it can't be more than seven years since the Turning. Warding itself likely takes place only two years later. Even being generous, Keris can't be more than eight at the time of the Warding.
Magestone is actually pretty accurate with two notable exceptions: 1) Mereth should be traveling in the Year of the Horned Cat not the Year of the Horned Hunter. 2) Kasarian is either 25 (since the book takes place three years after the Turning) or he is 27. He mentions being 22 at the time of the Turning, making him one year older than the Tregarth Triplets, but he mentions being five when the war was still going strong. This is an impossibility.
If you look towards the bottom of the timeline years page I created (http://elwher.wikidot.com/timeline-years) you'll see that I placed the characters at the ages I think are most likely (or, at least, lacking in continuity errors). If you can figure anything better out please let me know.
metaldragon 1246725548|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Sadly, I doubt it. Looking at all the other stories, it seems the ones causing problems are Songsmith and Ciara's Song/The Duke's Ballad and possibly The Magestone? There are so many problems with Ciara's Song that I think we have to write it off completely. The only way to make it fit is change it so that Ciara has her first kid when she's 14 and the other 2 a year, maybe two apart after that and HER oldest kid getting married and having kids when HE's about 14 or so. That's the only possible way her story will fit in the timescale if she's 9 at the time of the Horning and ends up with 2 grandchildren before the Turning.
I think we managed to figure out from the age of Eydryth and just how long after the Turning that story actually goes? It's considerably less than 30 isn't it? That has to trump the "30 years" reference in that story. The Witch World: The Turning stories roughly fit within 8 or so years after the Turning or don't they? I don't see it too much of a stretch to have Warding taking place a few years after that in order to allow Keris to be at least 13 or so. How badly does this mess with The Magestone's timeline of events? Didn't Kasarian have two possible ages because of details mentioned in his past that didn't reconcile with each other? How does that work out with the within a max of 15 years after the Turning time frame we have to work in?
Elwher 1246715135|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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The one thing we don't know is at what age the children of Dahaun and Kyllan mature - we assume it is similar to pure bred human i.e. early teens - could Keris be only seven or eight?
Elwher 1246714726|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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That's what I think too - the notes I put into The Key of the Keplian page I think suggest that, rather than the Turning, as looting etc has started with the Horning or maybe earlier.
metaldragon 1246693456|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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In the Warding analysis, someone has written in the Discussion section that it says in The Key of the Keplian that it's 30 years after the Turning there. I checked the analysis of Keplian and the only reference there is to 30 years after the Horning (the looting and been looted bit). Is there another reference that was missed in the analysis that refers to 30 years after the Turning? If Keplian takes place 30 years after the Horning, that means it takes place 6 years after the Turning (Turning happened 24 years after Horning). Hopefully that made sense…
Elwher 1241169829|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Yes to all this - this is what we have done over at Michael Moorcock's wikiverse - though I'm not sure how to do the family tree!
metaldragon 1241073261|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Since races have pages and soon places of the Witch World will be getting entries, I thought of a few other possible pages:
People of the Witch World. The Warding of the Witch World has a family tree. Is there a way to re-create it on here? How about entries for main and re-occuring characters? Their profiles could have brief descriptions and chronological appearances? These could also link to the Race pages as examples of each race/if the character is inter-racial, and the "places" pages as to where they're from and traveled to.
I also thought of a "suggested chronological reading order" page as a neat reference for someone first taking the plunge into the Witch World.
Another way of cross-referencing could be to list the authors with links to their stories to see who was responsible for what.
Make sense? A lot of work but hey, it's a wiki. lol!
metaldragon 1241063490|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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No worries. The only other story (besides WW and Web) by Andre herself that mentions a Falconer's looks in any detail is Falcon Blood where Rivery is described as having "dark" hair (when wet and covered in sand, no actual colour given, probably red), green eyes and pale skin (compared to Tanree's Sulcar tan). Since his description in Falcon Blood is by Andre, herself, ©1979, I consider it equally official to the descriptions in WW and Web. I don't remember if Nirel from 'Ware Hawk, ©1983, is described in detail but he would be about the only other official canon Falconer created by Andre. If Nirel looks slightly different from these two descriptions, I'd include his looks as another official parameter of the Falconer racial look.
Anything outside of their descriptions by other authors I'd consider a rare variation and unique to those characters (aka, the author screwed up).
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What we need are names and where each place is in relation to each other and other such geographical detail. The GURPS Witch World has a number of quite detailed maps of the Witch World. Their accuracy is, of course, dubious. If anyone would like a copy of the .pdf file of the GURPS WW manual, PM me with your email and I'll send it.
Otherwise, there is a rough map of the eastern continent in the front of Tales of the Witch World 1, 2, & 3, Four from the Witch World, Storms of Victory, Flight of Vengeance, On Wings of Magic, Songsmith, The Key of the Keplian, The Magestone, The Warding of the Witch World, and Ciara's Song.
Rough maps of the Western continent are a bit more rare and only appear in Tales of the Witch World 1, 2 & 3, Four from the Witch World, Storms of Victory, Flight of Vengeance, On Wings of Magic, and Songsmith.
Does anyone have one of "The Authorized Map of the Witch World created with the guidance and approval of Andre Norton herself, illustrated in full color by Mary Hanson Roberts, the map comes as a two-sheet set, from the address below: Make checks payable to: The Wizard's Nook, P.O. Box 16085, Plantation, FL 33318 (Send $15 plus $3 for shipping)"?
I suspect the rough maps in the later books were based on these. I think it says in the GURPS book that their maps were based on these.
Elwher 1240780013|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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That would be a massive job! But why not!
Indagare 1240768219|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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There have been a couple of attempts at mapping the Witch World over the years. No one seems to have even tried to map the Waste, and the other maps do not always take into account new information (like the fact the Eyrie was destroyed). Would it be possible to try and list all locations mentioned in all the books and try to get a rough idea of where things are located? The relative distance between most places would likely have to be given in terms of 'days walking' or 'days riding' since actual miles or leagues are very rarely used. Haste and adverse/favorable weather conditions would also have to be mentioned.
Indagare 1240609127|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Thanks! Sorry if I seem to be giving you trouble with the Falconers. They are pretty in-bred so I imagine they seem like one another much the way certain Amish might in our world. In the first Witch World book they definitely have reddish hair and yellow-brown eyes. I think any other colors are due to people not bothering to read the details of that book. I gave the page I have for their description, but I'm not sure what that might translate into in a paper-back book. It's around the time Simon is captured by the Kolder and taken to Gorm.
